EM004 MAC ENGINE
I have a 1950 MAC that recently underwent a complete nut-and-bolt restoration
by a very reputable builder.
On occasion, the crankcase floods with oil, presumably involving some sort of
problem with the return pump.
This only occurs after I have ridden very close to 22 miles (but again, does not
occur in every such case), which would seem to indicate a possible mechanical
distortion arising from thermal effects.
The problem appears to rectify itself when the machine is shut off and allowed
to rest for approximately 5 minutes.
I have checked for obvious causes, such as air leaks in the feed and return
lines, or any obstructions in the suction plug.
There are no identifiable oil leaks from the suction plug, the oil pump base,
any of the feed or return lines, or any of the fittings associated with the oil
tank itself. - Paul S. Greenberg 20/8/2002
First could you tell us what symptoms are indicating that the crankcase is
flooding?
It could be that you are finding oil is flowing out of the drive-side shaft; or
that the exhaust becomes very smoky, or simply that the oil level in the oil
tank has dropped significantly....or any combination.
If it is simply that it starts producing copious blue oil smoke under the
conditions you describe, then it is more likely to be a rocker-box drainage
problem. The rocker-box might be gradually filling up with oil until it goes
down the valve guides.
Oil pumps seldom give trouble unless an engine component has broken up, in which
case it is the return side that gets damaged rather than the feed so it could
indeed cause crankcase flooding - but consistently rather than occasionally as
you are experiencing.
I know of are a few other potential causes of poor crankcase scavenging, but
please can you confirm your symptoms first? - TW 20/8/2002
In terms of the symptoms that lead me to surmise that the crankcase is
flooding, you listed the following possibilities:
"It could be that you are finding oil is flowing out of the drive-side
shaft; or that the exhaust becomes very smoky, or simply that the oil level in
the oil tank has dropped significantly....or any combination."
In fact, all three occur simultaneously. Although I have only recently become a
Velocette owner, having reviewed all of the information available to me, I can
only conclude that this combination could only arise via the accumulation of oil
in the crankcase.
The actual cause, however, is turning out to be somewhat more elusive. As I
noted, if you putter around and never push the revs, this situation is not
observed. In his defense, the restorer never rode the bike very hard, so to his
knowledge everything worked properly. This only seems to occur after a few
minutes of fairly high revs. For example, while riding earlier this week, these
symptoms recurred after riding down a lengthy hill at about 55 mph for a few
minutes. After the bike was allowed to sit for a few minutes, the situation
alleviated itself. Dave opined that a slightly tired pump would be consistent
with the symptoms. Specifically, it would not have sufficient suction to
reestablish prime after evacuating all of the oil in the return pump and the
lines. In sitting for a few minutes, enough oil drains back into the crankcase
and pump to reestablish prime.
While Dave's explanation appears sensible at face value (and he arguably knows
infinitely more about all of this than me), there is a something in what he says
that troubles me: if the return pump has sufficient strength to clear all of the
oil out of the return path, why doesn't it have sufficient strength to
reestablish prime? This promotes the notion that some other factor or
combination of factors is occurring. I will also note from the responses I have
received thus far, the pumps either work or they don't. Clearly, it does work,
or at least it certainly seems to. - Paul S. Greenberg 22/8/2002
With all those symptoms, I do agree that it is most likely that the crankcase
is filling up with oil.
The most likely cause of this is indeed a worn out or damaged oil pump, or
damage to the bore of the crankcase in which the pump needs to be a perfect
shrink-fit.
The other possibilities are a suction filter with an air-leak (which might not
actually leak oil), though I think this would more typically cause smoking after
starting rather than after running for a while, or if your oil tank had a filter
chamber (which it didn't originally for your engine number) then there are
various ways in which it can restrict the return flow.
I think your first option is to have the oil pump and its housing checked by
someone with appropriate experience. - TW 22/8/2002
With the exception of this flooding behavior that I have only observed at
high rpms, everything appears to work properly. You could putter around town
forever (i.e. staying below 40 or 45 mph) and never observe any difficulty
whatsoever. Thus, if there is a problem with the return pump itself, it is
perhaps a bit subtle.
While checking the oil level in the tank over the weekend, it occurred to me
that the cap is not vented. The seal and the spring behind it seem like they are
capable of sustaining a significant amount of pressure. I checked my Goodman
Engineering parts list, and lo and behold they list two caps: one vented and one
non-vented. I assume the vented version exists for a reason. It would be very
easy to test this theory by temporarily replacing my non-vented cap with a
rubber stopper with a hole in it. - PG 26/8/2002
Well spotted! I should have thought of that myself.
You do indeed need an oil filler cap with a breather hole, and I think the
symptoms may well be as you describe if you don't use one. Alternatively, the
return oil pipe might have blown off its union.
It is easy to convert your non-breather type; you just drill a small hole (about
a 1/16") in the top, and a similar one in the brass base underneath -
usually the one on top is half way between the centre and the periphery, and the
one underneath is in the centre - TW 27/8/2002